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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth

MindPump exposes the RAW TRUTH about health, fitness, nutrition and more... Hosts Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer & Justin Andrews pull back the curtain on the mythology, snake oil and pseudo-science that pervades the fitness industry and present science-backed solutions that result in increased muscular development and performance while simultaneously emphasizing health. No fitness institution or fitness "truth" is safe from their quick wit and over 40 years of combined experience in the fitness industry. Produced by Doug Egge. Find Mind Pump and the Mind Pump hosts on Instragram @mindpumpmedia, @mindpumpsal, @mindpumpadam, @mindpumpjustin & @mindpumpdoug and at mindpumppodcast.com. Get expertly programmed Mind Pump training protocols at mapsfitnessproducts.com
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Now displaying: November, 2025
Nov 29, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: When is overtraining good? (2:35)

  • Teenager expectations, being spoiled, and manufacturing adversity. (23:35)

  • Sleep cool and hard. (35:23)

  • The history of Black Friday. (37:27)

  • Bluetooth origins. (38:27)

  • Reminiscing on Black Friday experiences. (40:13)

  • A place of gratitude. (43:01)

  • Italian moms are the best. (44:51)

  • What makes LMNT so brilliant? (47:25)

  • Justin’s BIG win. (51:14)

  • Kids say the darndest things. (54:10)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #1 – I am experiencing a little bit of a plateau, and I need some guidance on what to do next. (56:05)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #2 – I am interested to know if I would be better off doing shorter workouts more days a week, if supersets are as beneficial as resting between exercises, and if there would be a more beneficial split to look at? (1:10:00)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #3 – Looking for input on a phased strategy for reverse dieting while tapering off a GLP-1 medication. (1:19:49)

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Nov 28, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: The best isolation exercises for every body part. (2:21)

  • Getting your protein in with Butcher Box. (20:28)

  • Reminiscing on old high school photos and yearbook sign off’s. (26:23)

  • An exercise in breaking generational trauma. (31:29)

  • Letting your kids be free and have more independence. (36:45)

  • The benefits of going through a treatment center to help with withdrawal. (41:48)

  • Faith without works is dead. (47:03)

  • Earn triple entries NOW for our Black Friday sale! (51:01)

  • #Quah question #1 – What kind of healthy foods do your toddlers like to eat? I’m struggling with my son. (52:10)

  • #Quah question #2 – Is it okay to change rep ranges and adjust weights for MAPS 15? (58:05)

  • #Quah question #3 – Is it possible to build muscle in a deficit when you're obese? My thinking is that your body has enough energy to use so that you can still build muscle as long as you're hitting your protein target, even if you're in a deficit. (1:00:31)

  • #Quah question #4 –  How do you deal with a mass number of clients? I have 17 clients right now (big box gym) and am finding it difficult to stay on top of their programming and progress at times. (1:04:01)

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Nov 27, 2025

 Turn Thanksgiving into GAINZGIVING

  • 7 Ways to Turn Thanksgiving into GAINZGIVING. (2:04)

  • #1 - Lift hard in the morning (more volume). (3:54)

  • #2 - Do a long walk. (8:17)

  • #3 - Small shake post workout plus fruit. (9:45)

  • #4 - Thanksgiving meal tips. (10:44)

  • #5 - Long walk with family. (16:53)

  • #6 - Trigger session for weak body parts. (18:04)

  • #7 - Static stretch before bed. (19:07)

  • Highlighting how to maximize the holiday. (21:04)

  • Focusing on connection to avoid arguments. (24:54)

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Nov 26, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: DON’T listen to your body! Do this first. (2:47)

  • ‘Tis the season for the ‘Christmas Blend.’ (21:03)

  • The changing of the guard for “celebrity.” (24:28)

  • Shout out to Brandon Lake! (40:18)

  • Listening to music is so beneficial for us. (44:11)

  • Backwards speak and going down the 3rd rail. (47:24)

  • Making quality red-light units affordable again. (53:39)

  • Black Friday giveaways! (54:35)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #1 – Can I do one of your programs to gain muscle and continue with CrossFit, even if I have to cut it back? (55:46)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #2 – Any advice on gaining muscle mass while managing severe overwork and burnout? (1:09:12)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #3 – Advice on prioritizing health while managing new family and career demands. (1:16:42)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #4 – How can I get unstuck and keep the weight off after coming off a GLP-1? (1:28:53)

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Nov 24, 2025

Shawn Stevenson

  • Eat smarter! (1:46)

  • Emphasizing the impact of relationships on our psychology. (2:50)

  • You get to choose what you focus on. Opening up on the loss of his father. (6:49)

  • The difficulty is relying on others when you have a lone wolf mentality. (10:03)

  • What the science says about relationships and what it does for our health. (13:35)

  • Vulnerability on a podcast vs. in your personal life. (18:24)

  • The plasticity of epigenetics and the value of vitamin D-3 supplementation. (24:09)

  • The dream stream effects of xenoestrogens. (37:11)

  • Your perception of your environment affects your genes more than the environment itself. (39:19)

  • Coach behaviors, not macros and calories. (44:07)

  • Reversing the aging process through strength training. (51:43)

  • Choosing your own thoughts, rather than being told what to think. (54:32)

  • Processed relationships. (58:43)

  • Lessons learned through fatherhood. (1:02:41)

  • The gut-wrenching moment that flipped the switch in his career path. (1:14:19)

  • The importance of raising your kids under your roof. (1:20:20)

  • The value of mentorship. (1:26:00)

  • The cultural challenges of raising children today. (1:27:37)

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Nov 22, 2025
  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: What’s Better for Results, a Home Gym or Going to the Gym? (2:12)

  • Gym ‘icks’. (20:22)

  • Money isn’t everything. (23:00)

  • Teaching kids to be more independent. (31:01)

  • Family culture. (35:14)

  • Bill Belichick’s “odd” relationship. (38:55)

  • The value of egg vs. whey protein. (48:24)

  • Military standards. (50:25)

  • Social conditioning. (53:50)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #1 – I’m a runner with a CrossFit problem. I love endurance. I love muscle, but I sure miss being lean. Any guidance? (58:31)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #2 – I’m trying to increase my calories to build muscle, but I don’t want to get too lean like I have done in the past. I want to know where my calories should be, what is the best body fat percentage range for building muscle, and staying healthy? (1:10:47)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #3 – How can I progress my max lifts with the shorter rest periods in MAPS 15? (1:27:32)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #4 – How to eat for endurance. (1:38:06)

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Nov 21, 2025
  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: 6 Ways to Build Incredible Muscle and Strength You’re NOT Doing. (2:58)

  • Rocky montages = injury zone. (22:36)

  • Mind Pump Recommends ‘Stiller & Meara: Nothing Is Lost’ on Apple TV. (32:25)

  • The damage pornography has caused to men and women. (37:30)

  • Functional vs traditional training. (43:01)

  • Can you think of an exercise and get stronger? (45:50)

  • Kids say the darndest things. (48:50)

  • Beard grooming and battling going grey. (49:48)

  • #Quah question #1 – What are the proper steps to achieving a pull-up? (54:52)

  • #Quah question #2 – Are deadlifts a back or leg exercise? Where would you put it in a program? (57:26)

  • #Quah question #3 – Thoughts on workouts like Burn Bootcamp, F45, etc.? When I did strict weight training for 2 years, I saw almost no changes and got bored. (59:17)

  • #Quah question #4 – I have the hardest time with my nutrition. I'm currently in a bulk and can't seem to eat enough. Do you have any suggestions on how to assist with that? (1:00:46)

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Nov 20, 2025

The Best Workout, Diet, and Supplement Routine for Men Over 40

  • The importance of individualization and cautioning buyers of trendy fitness influencer programs. (1:35)

  • Look good, feel good: Why 80% of the max potential is working out two days a week, and consistency is the most important thing. (5:51)

  • The Best Workout, Diet, and Supplement Routine for Men Over 40 

  • The Workout: What the exercises look like and why we picked them. (10:29)

  • The Diet. (21:42)

  • The Supplements. (29:40)

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  • Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code 20MINDPUMP for 20% off your first month of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic. **

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Nov 19, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: The Ultimate Muscle (NOT FAT) Building Diet. (3:15)

  • The hidden benefits of manuka honey. (23:25)

  • Drinking without Zbiotics sucks! (25:35)

  • Adam openly shares his struggles with a recent Kratom withdrawal. (30:54)

  • Previewing Adam’s recent interview with Adam Lane Smith. (57:59)

  • Shout out to Father Steve! (58:16)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #1 –  How to lean out while managing consistent back tightness despite high activity, and whole-food eating. (1:02:27)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #2 – I’ve hit a weight-loss plateau, and I don’t know how to overcome that. (1:20:14)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #3 – How do I know when to increase my weights, and get rid of my mid-section pooch? (1:27:53)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #4 – Using Chat GPT as a trainer vs. an experienced live trainer. (1:34:36)

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Nov 17, 2025

MAPS 15 MUSCLE MOMMY

  • Defining ‘Muscle Mommy.’ (2:13)

  • Why women need to understand the benefit and power of PROPER strength training. (3:50)

  • The myths preached to women surrounding strength training. (7:07)

  • Cut the cardio, lift heavy, eat more, and LOSE body fat. (8:55)

  • Muscle adds shape. (12:26)

  • Building muscle balances your hormones. (13:09)

  • Breaking down the MAPS 15 Muscle Mommy protocol. (15:00)

  • What to expect when you follow GOOD strength training programming. (22:18)

  • 60% off today! (25:15)

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Nov 15, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: How to get jacked and ripped if you are a teenager. (1:56)

  • Focusing on performance rather than what you look like in the mirror. (24:35)

  • Pregnancy’s impact on the body lasts far longer than we realized. (28:46)

  • The value of going to a rehab facility for an addiction. (33:44)

  • Beware of misleading headlines in studies. (36:27)

  • The value of family mealtime. (39:50)

  • The evolution of Vuori. (48:51)

  • Black Friday sale is on! (54:37)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #1 – Could I be stronger by doing less? Do you think I might be overtrained? (55:35)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #2 – What can I do to move the needle on my body fat percentage without starving myself? (1:09:19)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #3 – Seeking advice on training and nutrition strategies for a former athlete now pursuing a high-fashion modeling career. (1:24:11)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #4 – Is it possible to noticeably change my look by adding other major lifts like the overhead press, deadlift, and row? Can I drop all other isolated work and just focus on these major lifts to get an overall muscular look? (1:33:48)

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Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Visit https://www.mplivecaller.com

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Nov 14, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: Our favorite unconventional workout hacks. (2:22)

  • New military technology that should terrify you. (24:34)

  • AI’s demonic spirit. (29:50)

  • Comet or extraterrestrial? (32:12)

  • The remarkable studies using binaural beats. (37:15)

  • Overprescribed medications for kids. (39:14)

  • Takeaways from Scott Donnel’s course. (45:38)

  • Joovv’s CRAZY Black Friday deals! (49:14)

  • AI can be a validation machine. (49:46)

  • Guilty pleasures. (54:03)

  • #Quah question #1 – What are some tips for feeling the rear delts? I watch the Mind Pump videos and end up feeling it in my side delts. I'm not sure if I need to round my back more and/or pull my shoulders back while rounding. (58:41)

  • #Quah question #2 – How can I get stronger with squats? I'm squatting every week, but I just don't seem to make any progress. Although the reps are heavy and exhausting, I don't really feel my legs. Also, my mind prevents me from lifting heavier weights for fear that I can’t get up from the squat. Any suggestions? (1:00:37)

  • #Quah question #3 – As a dental hygienist, how can I be ergonomically preventative in my career to protect my wrist, shoulder, and neck? (1:04:15)

  • #Quah question #4 – What's the number one thing this career has taught you about yourself? (1:05:15)

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Nov 13, 2025

Advanced Plastic Surgery with Dr. Benson Pulikkottil

  • His background. (1:42)

  • How success is a lot of luck and just jumping into some opportunity. Pivotal moments on his path into plastic surgery. (4:34)

  • How he met his wife, Lily. (22:45)

  • The MIRACULOUS grizzly bear facial reconstruction story. (27:25)

  • The stories of burn victims he has encountered. (46:57)

  • The future of healing. (53:01)

  • The surgery part is challenging, but the stuff after is where it counts. (55:20)

  • The characteristics of patients who tend to do the best. (1:02:30)

  • Are there certain body parts you have a time window to save? (1:07:36)

  • Exciting medical technologies on the horizon. (1:09:46)

  • Will AI ever replace surgeons? (1:11:38)

  • The importance of collaboration. (1:12:57)

  • The tougher the challenge, the more rewarding it is. (1:15:55)

  • Balancing family/work life. (1:17:05)

  • There are other ways to be successful in life. Would he want his kids to follow in his footsteps? (1:17:53)

  • My wife is a gangster. (1:19:27)

  • The value of strength training, being fit, in his profession. (1:22:11)

  • His 42-hour surgery and building your discipline muscle. (1:25:42)

  • Having a badass partner in life. (1:34:00)

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Website : www.drbensonmd.com

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Nov 12, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: Fitness MUST-DO’S if you’re over 40. (2:59)

  • Tamping down inflammation with fatty acids. (25:01)

  • Fun Facts with Dahlia. (28:43)

  • Halloween fun with Mind Pump. (30:00)

  • The skill of public speaking. (37:16)

  • Serious about sprinting. (42:38)

  • Data on daylight savings time, and Adam’s electricity usage experiment. (44:56)

  • Selective brainwashing to reduce prison sentences? (51:14)

  • Mind Pump Trainer’s favorite partner. (55:11)

  • Want to work for Mind Pump? (56:10)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #1 – Advice on tracking macros and finding maintenance calories. (59:02)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #2 – Using the gym to cope with/avoid emotions you haven’t dealt with. (1:12:37)

  • #ListenerCoaching call #3 – How do I effectively plan workouts and select movements that go beyond just providing a “good workout” — and truly help clients see real, lasting results? Also, how do you build confidence in yourself as a trainer when you’re still working through your own body image and food struggles? (1:22:51)

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Nov 10, 2025

The Perfect Fitness/Biohacking Day

  • The perfect 24 hours for fitness and biohacking broken down from beginning to end. (2:13)

  • #1 - Wake up (starts the night before after 8 hours of sleep), drink 16 ounces of water with electrolytes, and go outside to get sun (without your phone). (4:22)

  • #2 - Eat a high-protein (30-50 grams) breakfast with some fats and berries (fiber). (7:32)

  • #3 - Go for a 30–60-minute walk for insulin sensitivity; gratitude practice. (9:16)

  • #4 - Eat a high-protein (30-50 grams)/starchy meal (50-75 grams carbs), drink 16 ounces of electrolyte water, and go for another 30–60-minute walk. (14:04)

  • #5 - 60 mins later, have caffeine or pre-workout. (14:48)

  • #6 - 90 mins later, cold dip 2-4 mins. (16:30)

  • #7 - Red light 20 mins (10 on front and 10 on back naked), and do mobility in front of the red light. (17:36)

  • #8 - Lift weights full-body, and another 32 ounces of electrolyte water. (18:14)

  • #9 - Post-workout sauna 20 mins. (21:32)

  • #10 - Post-workout meal mirrors pre-workout, but includes well-cooked greens. (22:29)

  • #11 - Evening relaxation. (22:58)

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Nov 8, 2025
  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: 10 amazing and weird ways probiotics benefit you. (2:14)

  • Silicon Valley espionage. (18:45)

  • Uncomfortable experiences training clients. (28:37)

  • Iron sharpens iron. (33:51)

  • Prioritizing your relationship above your kids, and the importance of establishing family values/foundations. (40:28)

  • Fostering good bacteria growth with the Green Juice from Organifi. (50:41)

  • Must-haves when building your house. (52:33)

  • #ListenerLive question #1 – No matter what I do, I cannot gain muscle or weight. Please help. (1:00:57)

  • #ListenerLive question #2 – I’m looking for advice on what program to do after completing Anabolic Advanced? (1:10:28)

  • #ListenerLive question #3 – My current life routine only allows me to go to the gym 1 day per week, and maybe some weeks I will be able to squeeze in a second until March. Is there a program that you would recommend I follow during this time span? (1:18:48)

  • #ListenerLive question #4 – I’m having a hard time gauging my results from Muscle Mommy. I was wondering if that is just how the program is written, as most women fear "getting bulky," or if my additional activity is hindering my progress? (1:33:00)

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Nov 7, 2025
  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: What would happen to your body if you only did 1 lift a day? (2:33)

  • When your kids start to parent you. (18:51)

  • The stress around birthdays and holiday planning. (21:41)

  • What are the things that the data shows the people who are diagnosed with ADHD are worse at and better at? (26:56)

  • Average IQ scores in every state. (38:11)

  • Using a hot tub before lifting can increase performance. (40:44)

  • Mind Pump Recommends ALLEN IV3RSON on Prime Video. (45:25)

  • Why are some peptides more expensive than others? (47:12)

  • Gyms and smoothies. (49:19)

  • Meat sticks have been ruined forever. (57:48)

  • #Quah question #1 – Are adduction and abduction machines actually useful? (59:49)

  • #Quah question #2 – How do you set a goal for how much muscle to build during a certain time period? I have 6 months of "slow season," and I want to set a muscle goal instead of a weight loss goal. (1:02:51)

  • #Quah question #3 – Are saturated fats just plain bad, or should they still be consumed in moderate quantities? (1:05:03)

  • #Quah question #4 – I recently had to lighten my squat weight significantly to work on getting below parallel. When increasing the range of motion in a movement, are you still able to build muscle even if you have to decrease the weight? (1:17:19)

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Nov 6, 2025

 Kion Angelo Keely

  • His main role with Kion. (2:01)

  • How often do people cut corners? (4:05)

  • The two paths with supplement companies —and why Kion chose the boring route. (9:10)

  • Beating everyone with quality and education. (11:40)

  • His greatest blind spot. (13:23)

  • Essential amino acids vs. Whey protein powder for overcoming anabolic aging. (16:30)

  • What makes one Omega-3 better than another? (24:10)

  • The scientific breakdown of Omega-3s and why they are important to add to your diet. (26:08)

  • How inflammation works, and how Omega-3s help the body heal faster. (29:44)

  • Eating fish vs. taking a supplement, and what is the proper dose? (37:05)

  • How to know if you have rancid fish oil. (39:12)

  • Where they source their fish. (43:13)

  • Busting the argument of the Omega-3 and 6s balance. (44:05)

  • The two supplements that have a profound impact on longevity. (48:53)

  • The hidden benefits of creatine. (49:41)

  • The risks in the creatine space. (53:23)

  • Leading from the front. (58:04)

  • Methylation issues and creatine. (59:41)

  • The Zion formula. (1:01:19)

  • The BEST tasting coffee. (1:03:40)

  • Top sellers. (1:10:00)

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Nov 5, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom.

  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: Why you need to be careful when taking “science bros” advice. (3:06)

  • Service makes a HUGE difference. Sal’s experience at Disneyland. (17:58)

  • The secret to rapid hair regrowth. (31:56)

  • Caldera Lab’s new hair care system. (34:13)

  • Weight-loss drugs like Ozempic may also curb drug and alcohol addiction. (35:48)

  • Cavities/gum disease and its connection to strokes. (40:50)

  • Adam’s brilliant job for kids. (44:40)

  • Mind Pump’s Black Friday Sale is live! (51:50)

  • Thanksgiving season is here. (53:10)

  • The most overrated/underrated Thanksgiving dish. (55:10)

  • #ListenerLive question #1 – What is the best way to go about resetting my gut and getting myself back on the right track for longer-term health? (58:19)

  • #ListenerLive question #2 – Can you provide some advice on my lifting progress, specifically concerning muscle loss during a cutting phase? (1:07:11)

  • #ListenerLive question #3 – How would you change up the programs to be a little more lower body focused since my upper body already takes a lot of abuse with my daily life? (1:16:17)

  • #ListenerLive question #4 – Tell me how to improve problem areas when following MAPS 15? Given where I’m at in life, should I try to do a longer program again or continue with MAPS 15? (1:25:33)

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Nov 3, 2025

Metabolic Healing vs Fat Loss: Which Comes First?

  • Understanding the importance of your metabolic health, and defining metabolism in a nutshell. (1:58)

  • Defining a “broken metabolism” and how it got that way. (4:09)

  • What it feels like. (18:42)

  • How to “fix” your metabolism. (20:04)

  • What does that then feel like? (28:01)

  • The success is in the setup. (29:50)

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Nov 1, 2025
  • Mind Pump Fit Tip: The MOST data-supported, non-obvious ways that fitness impacts your life in a positive way. (2:08)

  • Putting their heart into their profession. (26:15)

  • Fascinating results from ONLY eating eggs. (28:11)

  • The value of taking digestive enzymes. (36:45)

  • Sports and business savants. (39:08)

  • Burnout rates between men and women. (43:30)

  • Phone innovation. (46:31)

  • The more you tease, the closer you get. (49:46)

  • Reality is being distorted more than ever, and the decline in serial killers. (53:43)

  • #ListenerLive question #1 – How do I know when I’m ready to start training others? What would you tell someone like me who’s passionate but scared? (1:00:00)

  • #ListenerLive question #2 – How can I regain my explosiveness and power? (1:08:54)

  • #ListenerLive question #3 – Which one (or more) of your programs would you recommend specifically to the beauty industry gals? (1:20:25)

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